tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post1302939716834602139..comments2023-10-21T05:09:27.355-04:00Comments on a second chance: uncle jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01879341171634900790noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post-79080356419680507072008-04-20T20:58:00.000-04:002008-04-20T20:58:00.000-04:00got it nowi agree this wayGod = lovelove demands /...got it now<BR/><BR/>i agree this way<BR/><BR/>God = love<BR/><BR/>love demands / requires a response<BR/><BR/>prayer initiates from God<BR/><BR/>I respond [have to - i could accept it or reject it]<BR/><BR/>prayer = communion with creatoruncle jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879341171634900790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post-2978559574509714802008-04-20T20:11:00.000-04:002008-04-20T20:11:00.000-04:00Jim, I don't think our speaker meant that prayer w...Jim, I don't think our speaker meant that prayer was a one-way street; just that people don't always think about God's role in moving our hearts to prayer.Melody Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00442985285647041700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post-32395847409342909202008-04-20T19:44:00.000-04:002008-04-20T19:44:00.000-04:00adoro,origen's writing i posted was with regard to...adoro,<BR/>origen's writing i posted was with regard to personal private prayer. i'll have to read farther elsewhere to see what was early church posturing during liturgy, especially after it became more formalized.<BR/><BR/>re the steak on the grill - my vote says to count on it! gotta be someone around cleveland with a grill.<BR/><BR/>melody,<BR/>yea, i think he pictures a one-way street here. i picture it as two-way.uncle jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879341171634900790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post-31948031006262967992008-04-20T19:26:00.000-04:002008-04-20T19:26:00.000-04:00We've been learning a LOT about prayer and God and...We've been learning a LOT about prayer and God and all sorts of things...lots of stuff I'll cover this semester that might spawn blog posts now and later. <BR/><BR/>About the orans...it's only discouraged during MASS, not during private prayer. The symbolis of the priest's prayer position during Mass is significant. <BR/><BR/>I posted on it a couple years ago, but it needs to be edited as the post does have some incorrect info in it that came just out of a passionate will, not Church teaching. <BR/><BR/>But what I saw that caused the post was this:<BR/><BR/>The priest, during the Our Father, stood just beneath the Crucifix, his hands held aloft, palms up and somewhat towards us as he lead the prayer. I was struck by how much he represented Christ, praying in the words of Christ, whose words and whose presence allow us to call God "Father". It is only proper, in that circumstance, to imitate the Deacon and keep our hands folded, allowing our communal prayer to be lead by our earthly spiritual leader, who is praying in the person of Christ, who offers the Sacrifice of the Mass in our name, also in the person of Christ. It's incredible. <BR/><BR/>Origin had some wonderful ideas and needs his writings to be resurrected; he was guilty of some material heresies which he'd advanced tentatively, but died as an obedient and loyal son of the Church. His material heresies were not declared as such until he was 3 years in the grave. <BR/><BR/>Anyway...gotta go check the grill....<BR/><BR/>Want me to grill y'all a steak this July? :-)Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5056516915392913431.post-26518427317968369032008-04-20T09:29:00.000-04:002008-04-20T09:29:00.000-04:00We attended a spirituality day yesterday, sponsore...We attended a spirituality day yesterday, sponsored by the archdiocese for the deacons and their wives. It is interesting that the topic was "prayer and holiness". Our speaker was a Jesuit emeritus professor from Creighton U. (When I heard that, I thought, wow, I better take along a couple bottles of Mountain Dew. But it ended up being a very good presentation.) The main thought that I took away from it was that God is the initiator. When we pray, it doesn't come from us; it comes from God, who first called us to prayer. Also, we don't pray to become more holy, we are praying in response to the holiness already present. Going to have to mull that over a bit.Melody Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00442985285647041700noreply@blogger.com